Comments on: Health-based faith solutions (TM)

By: Douglas Henricksen

Douglas Henricksen — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:44:52 +0000

I actually took the time to research the subject regarding the potential spread of germs during communion and found that there has been a number of scientific studies performed and more than 3,000 articles written on the subject. I would rather error on the side of safety. The fact is the number of deadly drug resistant infectious diseases has been and continues to be on the increase. Health officials continue to say the washing of hands is the most important method of preventing the spread of disease. They also say that although contaminated food may not make you sick, you should not eat it. Studies have shown that hand sanitizers are not 100 percent effective. A significant number of church goers stop taking communion during the cold and flu months due to the fear of contracting some form of deadly illness; a number of Catholic diocese have limited or halted communion altogether. Obviously I cannot speak for God, but I do not think he would mind the use of a product that prevented the spread of germs and made people feel safe. The important thing is it prevents the spread of germs during the communion service in a manner that Celebrates the Lord’s Supper through healthier worship, preserves the holiness of the sacrament and the traditions of individual religious bodies. I have looked at these new products and the one that I believe is acceptable is the Communalabra that is being offered by Agnus Dei Church Supplies. God Bless.

By: Amelia Hagen

Amelia Hagen — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:49:26 +0000

I found the sanitized wine and wafer useful in hospital chaplaincy when a heart transplant patient wanted communion after his surgery. IMHO there are better ways to distribute communion to a whole congregation though avoiding the experience of Rev Sarah. Many dioceses seems to be recommending variations on having hand hand sanitizer available (and using it). Educating that communion in one kind is valid (if there is flu in the area and there is a desire not use the common cup) Make sure people don’t intinct, etc.

By: Bob Chapman

Bob Chapman — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:54:13 +0000

The holy water dispensers make sense from a germ standpoint. You are sticking your fingers (which carry more disease than your mouth) in the same water as everyone else.

Communion elements being served like Lunchables is something else. http://brands.kraftfoods.com/lunchables/

There are enough studies out there showing the risk of transmission through a common cup to be slight.

By: Bosco Peters

Bosco Peters — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:09:24 +0000

I certainly do not want to derail this thread by moving it to a debate on transubstantiation; Vincent may be making his comment as a quip within the context of this post, but he does express what many people might misunderstand about Aristotle’s substance attribute theory as applied to the belief that Christ is present in the Eucharist. In this philosophical model “a hat's shape is not the hat itself, nor is its colour the hat, nor is its size, nor its softness to the touch, nor anything else about it perceptible to the senses. The hat itself (the "substance") has the shape, the colour, the size, the softness and the other appearances, but is distinct from them.” The shape, size, softness, etc. are the “accidents”. Following this model, in the Eucharist the substance becomes Christ, but the accidents are unchanged. The alcohol content of the wine still affects you. The bread still nourishes physically. And nothing is changed in the transubstantiation model which would alter the effect of any germs present.

By: Rev Sarah

Rev Sarah — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:47:58 +0000

I don’t think the individual cups with wafers are actually new…I distinctly recall them being used at a youth gathering circa 1995 when they served a few thousand youth all at once in a stadium. I was slightly horrified when the basket passed down the row and I got to take my very own! The ones we had were double wrapped. You remove the first layer to get to the host, and then the second layer to get to the juice.

By: Joel

Joel — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 14:03:10 +0000

It seems to me a sneaky denial of the incarnation. When The Son became man he threw himself in the middle of disease and human filth. Throughout his earthly life he ate with sinners and the least of these (sometimes not even washing his hands!). Then, in his last hours on this earth he did the sanitarily-unthinkable: he washed his disciples feet.

Now look at his followers in the 21st century afraid to even touch each other.

By: Karen

Karen — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:58:08 +0000

What are we afraid of? On Sunday when I enter my church my hand automatically reaches for the now empty bowl of Holy Water. We are asked to offer one another the sign of peace without contact. This troubles me somewhat. Am I going to catch the flu from hugging someone or am I more likely to catch it from touching a doorhandle at the mall? My chances are probably equal with both. But I like to live dangerously and get a hug! If available at the time would Jesus have put on a hazmat suit before touching and healing a leper? Are we afraid of dying? I am, so I know that I have to do more work on my faith. In the end shouldn’t we look forward to the Kingdom of Heaven?
I wash my hands, I cough into the crook of my arm now, I try not to spread my germs, but I’m going out into the world today without a hazmat suit and I will still give my hugs freely and I will shake any hand offered to me. I like living on the edge…

By: Fran Rossi Szpylczyn

Fran Rossi Szpylczyn — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 12:24:53 +0000

I have so many thoughts about this, I will try to be brief.

First of all, as someone who coordinates liturgies here in the affluence of the western world, I pray for patience as I hear all the hue and cry over “germs” at communion.

I am not stupid, Jesus is not magic but can people get a grip please? God grant me patience and mercy, please.

One thought I have when someone (at either my paid church job or my ministry at my parish) asks about “what Father is going to do about this! Can we stop the cup please? No hand holding or giving peace please!” I get upset.

My harsh reply, which I hear in my heart is “can you politely refrain from that which you do not wish to do?” If you don’t want to share peace, cross your arms and bow or nod your head with a big smile that comes from your heart if you do not want to touch or if you are ill.

Don’t want to drink from the cup? Then do not.

It all smacks of an individualism that I find hard to deal with, having it “one’s own way.”

As for what I think evil is, I think evil is that which divides us from God – therefore what divides us from one another… Was Jesus meant to be dispensed from a mechanical object? Maybe – but I don’t know.

It seems to me that not touching each other or Christ is a wedge of evil that can divide. Maybe I am overreacting.

Lastly (so much for brevity, sorry) I think of the affluence of where I am and the germ-mania. Then I think of the luxury of not holding hands or the luxury of Purell hand sanitizer on the credence table and I am reminded of people who live in garbage dumps in Haiti and elsewhere. They scrap for food amidst the dogs and rats and are happy with what they find.

I am not suggesting that that is good, I am simply saying that to be close to God is to be united with the impoverished. And when we do not want to touch, that means we are far more impoverished in ways that we cannot comprehend.

Sorry for the rant, this has been all heavy on my heart in these times. Peace and good things to all.

By: Clare Barrie

Clare Barrie — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:50:59 +0000

These things are highly amusing and mortifying at the same time!

Have you seen the new holy water dispensers for those concerned about swine flu being transferred via the ordinary stoups…
http://www.shipoffools.com/gadgets/church/224.html

By: Helen Fuller

Helen Fuller — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:03:57 +0000

Attended a Good Friday service earlier this year in Naperville, Il. and was astonished to be served communion in the pre-filled cup you mention. My first thought was ‘only in America’!

By: Vincent Murphy

Vincent Murphy — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:36:33 +0000

At least this clears up the transubstantiation debate! Or, are they suggesting the actual body and blood of Christ himself carries infectious disease?